Unbelievable! But then why else publicise the arrival of hundreds of MOABs mother of all bombs. So big and heavy special large bomber planes will be required. And the civilised world wrings its hands in impotence. We (the world) are witnessing the most horrific holocaust ever in quasi silence. Protest marches sit ins even clever Green peace actions...pfffft! Give the illusion of changing the status quo....we are impotent.
Gee psychological threats!!!! Oh oh oh!!! So much worse than starving hostages and murdering hostage babies and then bringing your children to dance around murdered babies’ coffins. Leaflets!!!!! So much worse than being starved hostages to see other hostages released and forcing to say pro Hamas things in video and forcing hostages to kiss you!!!!oh oh oh such evil
Nurit, you’re absolutely right—psychological threats are nothing compared to actually starving an entire population. Israel has already been doing that for months. And yes, mass killing—old and young, left and right—is much worse. So thanks for making that point for me.
And speaking of mockery, Israelis have been so dignified—dragging their own children into videos celebrating the suffering of the palestinians; dancing and singing over mass death. Meanwhile, Palestinian families of released hostages are threatened with punishment for the thought crime of feeling relief. But sure, tell me more about who’s engaging in psychological warfare.
It’s funny how, despite having total military dominance, nuclear weapons, and full Western backing, Israel still acts like it’s the most insecure state on Earth. Maybe that’s why dropping leaflets threatening genocide feels necessary. Condemning one crime does not excuse another. But perhaps that’s the real insecurity here—knowing that terrorising civilians is all Israel has left.
Mocking of Palestinians. If you think that you are probably misinterpreting the massive demonstrations in Israel against their own government in an effort to continue the cease fire and release the hostages and also participation in the many funerals we gave now. Clearly you just don’t understand . Israel would never make a party around the coffins of dead babies like Hamas did. No Israeli would come to that, but the Arabs, they love that kind of thing. No doubt you are familiar with these gruesome traditions, giving out candy in joy after Israelis are killed. Dancing around the defined half naked bodies of Israeli women and spitting on them for extra fun. They are so proud they post videos of themselves doing that. Jews do not act that way. Arabs do
It seems very common Hamas activity. They tossed all their political opposition from
The PLO off roof tops in Gaza after they won the election. This newly released prisoner killed 37 Israelis but apparently he would have been better off in Israeli prison. We Israelis also do not like our political opponents but we don’t kill them.i guess that is Arab culture
Strange way of expressing “relief” bring your. Children to dance around coffins of babies, celebrate by spitting on corpses of abused women. What are they relieved about? After kidnapping and burning people alive they are “relieved”?
We are talking about the palestinian families of the hostages israel released, threateed by the IDF not to show happiness and celebrate their loved ones coming home.
Also these released convicted killers look pretty good. Two released prisoners begged to stay in prison rather than go back to where they came from. One was convinced to get on the bus, the other had to be replaced. One released prisoner was tossed off a rooftop in Jerusalem a day after his release. So I guess somebody was not happy and relieved to see him
There is such a thing as administrative arrest, a British legal status. We learned how to be oppressive from the British. And yes, there are those who are held for a long time, sometimes in this status. But there are also convicted criminals, such as the 13 year old boy who was convicted for attacking Jewish children with a knife. He came with his uncle and they attacked a 13 yr. old Israeli boy and killed him. I don't know which law you follow, but murder is a crime in most legal systems.
and if we are going to talk about the legitimacy of legal claims then perhaps we should talk about the legitimacy of the International Court and the UN whose active members are a majority of Moslem countries. I am pretty sure Qatar paid South Africa to place the complaint about Israel at the international court. I am no fan of Netanyhu but indigiting him for carrying on a war with an organization that committed so many international crimes against israel is pretty suspicious.
This wonderful humanitarian court did not have a problem with Assad, who killed 500,000 of his own people. Or the Hourthis who killed a similiar number of the Yemini people by starvation, or that Islamic group on Sudan who are doing the same thing now..
And about your claim that the released murdered Palestinian terrorist was "maybe a traitor"--have you heard about any trials against him? Any claims? I guess somebody didn't like him for whatever reason but there are other things you can do, you don't have to immediately, with no trail, just toss somebody off a roof. That is a culture. And not one to be proud of.
Arabs use Western Liberalism to accuse Israel but they themselves do not live according the values they use to blame Israel.
My problem with Israel is that we are becoming more like the Arabs. In israel they call it "speaking 'Arabic". I am deeply ashamed of my people for becoming more like our neighbors. They can certainly take credit for making us as murderous as they are. There are Israelis who believe that "they only understand force" and that is certainly the theme of what Israel is now doing in Gaza.
In an Israeli satiric program last night they had the prime minister and his staff discussing, should we continue to the next stage in negotiations or "open the gates of hell"? They realize as they discuss that everything that can be described as opening the gates of hell has already been done. Then they have the devil appear and he says that hell is overcrowded and he is not taking in any more Palestinians or Israelis. I thought that was a good summary of our situation.
Well atleast you admit that Israel is opressing the palestinians. But when you say convicted, I am again asking which law, by whom? You talk about the cases, that is not interesting initself. I wonder about which court convicts them, and which law the are convicted after. As for administrative arrest, which can go on over years, its truly barbaric!
Your accusation against "moslims" paying of South Aftica really is soaked in racist thinking. You dont think South Aftican can lead the case because they are right? You know of the Goldstein Commission btw?
As for claims about arab culture, I truly hope never to see right to rape rallies anywhere, but we have seen it in Israel. Using your words, "not to be proud of."
Otherwise, the whataboutism is thick in your post, and one could discuss each and everything, but really, what if?
As for "speaking 'Arabic", the racism is shocking!
you are the one talking about released prisoners, not me. you are the one mixing things up. As far as I am concerned, they can celebrate the return of their terrorists, I don't care about that. They got 30 terrorists for every baby's corpse. I am talking about how they released our hostages. I know it's hard for you to focus on this shameful behavior, but you need to own it.
The money Palestinian terrorists get salaries from the Palestinian authority, the more people you kill the higher the salary you get. Great way to make a living, kill Israelis
You expect me to slug through your whole substack tome? Do you ever consider your mistakes? What you could have done differently? Israelis are constantly discussing where we should have done differently, arguing amongst ourselves. I never see the Arabs doing this. You are so busy with being victims. At this very moment I am watching an Israeli documentary about Abu Mazen, his struggle to negotiate with Israel, the negotiations with Ulmert, and how he was destroyed by his own people, his lack of preparing his own people for compromise, etc
So dont. But if you like documentaries, I can recomend these, most of them actually israeli:
Israelism, Checkpoint, Defamation, How Israel Won the West, Tantura, The Village Under the Forest, Born in Deir Yassin, The Stones Cry Out and Gaza Fights for freedom.
"You might dicuss internally all you want in Israel, I have not seen that." Given your logic that means you never do it. Just because you dont know about it or at not told about it does not mean it dies not happen. Sorry to say that, but as for being a victim, everything you accuse palestinians about is an admission.
Lives in Norway. Then believe me, I know more than you do. You just watch videos. I guess the situation in Pakistan and Norway is perfect so you decided to research Israel. I see
In addition to what I wrote below: so much of the meaningful information about the occupation is provided by Israeli human rights workers and organizations and press. It seems to me that the Palestinians are jealous if the Jewish Holocaust, they keep trying to prove that they are victims if genocide, etc high jacking Holocaust vocabulary and symbols. A lot if the information provided by Palestinians is distorted and untrue. I never understood why they did that when the truth was bad enough. Grow up. Take responsibility for your part. You are not helpless children as you want everybody to believe. This approach if move is not racist, it is far more respectful than all those people who treat you Palestinians like retarded children
I actually do know. For 8 years I observed the points and wrote reports about them. I live in Jerusalem. There are Arabs all over place in my hometown. Half the staff and patients in ALL our medical facilities are Arabs. I employed an Arab woman for two years in a small business I owned and I know her family. I know many Arab merchants in the old city of Jerusalem and helped some of them when they had hard times. I volunteered to tutor Arab teenagers in Diehshe refugee camp in Bethlehem during the 90s. I was a naive believer in equal rights for all, opposed to the occupation in the West Bank. I have quite a few Israeli friends and even a relative who think like you do. My daughter and three grandchildren live in the Gaza border and narrowly escaped your poor Palestinian victims attack.
I am well informed.the Arabs need to evolve if they want to live like modern western people and that is their job and not Israel’s fault that they are far from that today
Thank you. We have to get this into the media.
Unbelievable! But then why else publicise the arrival of hundreds of MOABs mother of all bombs. So big and heavy special large bomber planes will be required. And the civilised world wrings its hands in impotence. We (the world) are witnessing the most horrific holocaust ever in quasi silence. Protest marches sit ins even clever Green peace actions...pfffft! Give the illusion of changing the status quo....we are impotent.
Gee psychological threats!!!! Oh oh oh!!! So much worse than starving hostages and murdering hostage babies and then bringing your children to dance around murdered babies’ coffins. Leaflets!!!!! So much worse than being starved hostages to see other hostages released and forcing to say pro Hamas things in video and forcing hostages to kiss you!!!!oh oh oh such evil
Geeee
Nurit, you’re absolutely right—psychological threats are nothing compared to actually starving an entire population. Israel has already been doing that for months. And yes, mass killing—old and young, left and right—is much worse. So thanks for making that point for me.
And speaking of mockery, Israelis have been so dignified—dragging their own children into videos celebrating the suffering of the palestinians; dancing and singing over mass death. Meanwhile, Palestinian families of released hostages are threatened with punishment for the thought crime of feeling relief. But sure, tell me more about who’s engaging in psychological warfare.
It’s funny how, despite having total military dominance, nuclear weapons, and full Western backing, Israel still acts like it’s the most insecure state on Earth. Maybe that’s why dropping leaflets threatening genocide feels necessary. Condemning one crime does not excuse another. But perhaps that’s the real insecurity here—knowing that terrorising civilians is all Israel has left.
Israelis have never taken or participated in mass
Mocking of Palestinians. If you think that you are probably misinterpreting the massive demonstrations in Israel against their own government in an effort to continue the cease fire and release the hostages and also participation in the many funerals we gave now. Clearly you just don’t understand . Israel would never make a party around the coffins of dead babies like Hamas did. No Israeli would come to that, but the Arabs, they love that kind of thing. No doubt you are familiar with these gruesome traditions, giving out candy in joy after Israelis are killed. Dancing around the defined half naked bodies of Israeli women and spitting on them for extra fun. They are so proud they post videos of themselves doing that. Jews do not act that way. Arabs do
Never? Ok
Ever heard about the Sderot Cinema? If not, please google it.
You know about the rapes of palestinian prisoners right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmjGdzyj5BA
But thats one thing, and we know from reports it is quite common. But what about the "right to rape prisoners" rallies?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3F8WY-WW7Y
As for the mocking, I was thinking about these videoes
https://www.instagram.com/aljazeeraenglish/reel/Cy4TNbxBFIj/?hl=en
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TbB8retcCE
https://www.instagram.com/aljazeeraenglish/reel/C2PvBRNtdBO/?hl=en
https://www.aljazeera.com/program/newsfeed/2024/1/18/israeli-soldiers-are-filming-themselves-mocking-palestinians
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/06/world/middleeast/israel-idf-soldiers-war-social-media-video.html
https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/2024-12-19/ty-article-opinion/.premium/israels-shameful-mocking-of-the-palestinian-grandfather-who-symbolized-gazas-pain/00000193-daa8-d7f6-abf7-defc2c760000
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20231204-israelis-mock-palestinian-tragedy-on-tiktok/
https://www.instagram.com/middleeastmonitor/reel/C0cJng1P5Pq/?utm_source=ig_embed&utm_campaign=loading
And some real torture to boot
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/footage-of-french-israeli-soldier-mocking-palestinian-torture-victims-shocking-and-disgusting-france/3171260
Please see all this, and tell me what it is, the racism is so on display here!
It seems very common Hamas activity. They tossed all their political opposition from
The PLO off roof tops in Gaza after they won the election. This newly released prisoner killed 37 Israelis but apparently he would have been better off in Israeli prison. We Israelis also do not like our political opponents but we don’t kill them.i guess that is Arab culture
Strange way of expressing “relief” bring your. Children to dance around coffins of babies, celebrate by spitting on corpses of abused women. What are they relieved about? After kidnapping and burning people alive they are “relieved”?
We are talking about the palestinian families of the hostages israel released, threateed by the IDF not to show happiness and celebrate their loved ones coming home.
Also these released convicted killers look pretty good. Two released prisoners begged to stay in prison rather than go back to where they came from. One was convinced to get on the bus, the other had to be replaced. One released prisoner was tossed off a rooftop in Jerusalem a day after his release. So I guess somebody was not happy and relieved to see him
Who and what are you talking about? Might be a traitor, I dont know. But you know who pushed someone out from a rooftop?
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn8jg0x5xg8o
The prisoners Israel released were convicted terrorists, not babies kidnapped from their homes, a small difference
Convicted by who? After which law? And I dont know all whom they released, but I know children are held with no charge and no trial ...
https://www.dci-palestine.org/_i_was_severely_beaten_if_i_moved_palestinian_children_held_without_charge_or_trial_by_israeli_forces
There is such a thing as administrative arrest, a British legal status. We learned how to be oppressive from the British. And yes, there are those who are held for a long time, sometimes in this status. But there are also convicted criminals, such as the 13 year old boy who was convicted for attacking Jewish children with a knife. He came with his uncle and they attacked a 13 yr. old Israeli boy and killed him. I don't know which law you follow, but murder is a crime in most legal systems.
and if we are going to talk about the legitimacy of legal claims then perhaps we should talk about the legitimacy of the International Court and the UN whose active members are a majority of Moslem countries. I am pretty sure Qatar paid South Africa to place the complaint about Israel at the international court. I am no fan of Netanyhu but indigiting him for carrying on a war with an organization that committed so many international crimes against israel is pretty suspicious.
This wonderful humanitarian court did not have a problem with Assad, who killed 500,000 of his own people. Or the Hourthis who killed a similiar number of the Yemini people by starvation, or that Islamic group on Sudan who are doing the same thing now..
And about your claim that the released murdered Palestinian terrorist was "maybe a traitor"--have you heard about any trials against him? Any claims? I guess somebody didn't like him for whatever reason but there are other things you can do, you don't have to immediately, with no trail, just toss somebody off a roof. That is a culture. And not one to be proud of.
Arabs use Western Liberalism to accuse Israel but they themselves do not live according the values they use to blame Israel.
My problem with Israel is that we are becoming more like the Arabs. In israel they call it "speaking 'Arabic". I am deeply ashamed of my people for becoming more like our neighbors. They can certainly take credit for making us as murderous as they are. There are Israelis who believe that "they only understand force" and that is certainly the theme of what Israel is now doing in Gaza.
In an Israeli satiric program last night they had the prime minister and his staff discussing, should we continue to the next stage in negotiations or "open the gates of hell"? They realize as they discuss that everything that can be described as opening the gates of hell has already been done. Then they have the devil appear and he says that hell is overcrowded and he is not taking in any more Palestinians or Israelis. I thought that was a good summary of our situation.
Well atleast you admit that Israel is opressing the palestinians. But when you say convicted, I am again asking which law, by whom? You talk about the cases, that is not interesting initself. I wonder about which court convicts them, and which law the are convicted after. As for administrative arrest, which can go on over years, its truly barbaric!
Your accusation against "moslims" paying of South Aftica really is soaked in racist thinking. You dont think South Aftican can lead the case because they are right? You know of the Goldstein Commission btw?
As for claims about arab culture, I truly hope never to see right to rape rallies anywhere, but we have seen it in Israel. Using your words, "not to be proud of."
Otherwise, the whataboutism is thick in your post, and one could discuss each and everything, but really, what if?
As for "speaking 'Arabic", the racism is shocking!
I am talking about Palestinians who brought their children to dance around coffins . You are changing the subject
No, you are mixing it up and mucking it up with throwing in many different things. Lets take one thing at a time!
you are the one talking about released prisoners, not me. you are the one mixing things up. As far as I am concerned, they can celebrate the return of their terrorists, I don't care about that. They got 30 terrorists for every baby's corpse. I am talking about how they released our hostages. I know it's hard for you to focus on this shameful behavior, but you need to own it.
You say you dont care, but the IDF has threatened the families with grave results if the do thughtcrimes like celebrating. Please read here:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/2/11/joy-in-israel-restrictions-in-palestine-for-released-captives-prisoners
Yes there is racism in both sides. At least in Israel there is criticism of it
Its deeply rooted actually. Please read on here: https://shoaibsultan.substack.com/p/the-violent-roots
The money Palestinian terrorists get salaries from the Palestinian authority, the more people you kill the higher the salary you get. Great way to make a living, kill Israelis
You expect me to slug through your whole substack tome? Do you ever consider your mistakes? What you could have done differently? Israelis are constantly discussing where we should have done differently, arguing amongst ourselves. I never see the Arabs doing this. You are so busy with being victims. At this very moment I am watching an Israeli documentary about Abu Mazen, his struggle to negotiate with Israel, the negotiations with Ulmert, and how he was destroyed by his own people, his lack of preparing his own people for compromise, etc
So dont. But if you like documentaries, I can recomend these, most of them actually israeli:
Israelism, Checkpoint, Defamation, How Israel Won the West, Tantura, The Village Under the Forest, Born in Deir Yassin, The Stones Cry Out and Gaza Fights for freedom.
"You might dicuss internally all you want in Israel, I have not seen that." Given your logic that means you never do it. Just because you dont know about it or at not told about it does not mean it dies not happen. Sorry to say that, but as for being a victim, everything you accuse palestinians about is an admission.
Oh I just realized you are Pakistani who
Lives in Norway. Then believe me, I know more than you do. You just watch videos. I guess the situation in Pakistan and Norway is perfect so you decided to research Israel. I see
In addition to what I wrote below: so much of the meaningful information about the occupation is provided by Israeli human rights workers and organizations and press. It seems to me that the Palestinians are jealous if the Jewish Holocaust, they keep trying to prove that they are victims if genocide, etc high jacking Holocaust vocabulary and symbols. A lot if the information provided by Palestinians is distorted and untrue. I never understood why they did that when the truth was bad enough. Grow up. Take responsibility for your part. You are not helpless children as you want everybody to believe. This approach if move is not racist, it is far more respectful than all those people who treat you Palestinians like retarded children
I actually do know. For 8 years I observed the points and wrote reports about them. I live in Jerusalem. There are Arabs all over place in my hometown. Half the staff and patients in ALL our medical facilities are Arabs. I employed an Arab woman for two years in a small business I owned and I know her family. I know many Arab merchants in the old city of Jerusalem and helped some of them when they had hard times. I volunteered to tutor Arab teenagers in Diehshe refugee camp in Bethlehem during the 90s. I was a naive believer in equal rights for all, opposed to the occupation in the West Bank. I have quite a few Israeli friends and even a relative who think like you do. My daughter and three grandchildren live in the Gaza border and narrowly escaped your poor Palestinian victims attack.
I am well informed.the Arabs need to evolve if they want to live like modern western people and that is their job and not Israel’s fault that they are far from that today
I dont understand this, could you maybe explain?
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DG-9aqzuCAG/?igsh=MTQ4eHprbWIzM2ZqYg==
I mean how common are these views in Israel? Are the subtitles real/right translated?
Just yesterday. Another one Ive seen is this one:
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-02-09/ty-article-opinion/.premium/speak-arabic-how-israel-turned-a-language-into-revenge-against-palestinians/00000194-eb55-d168-a3bf-ebdfc24c0000?fbclid=IwY2xjawInDhZleHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHS4qnTlCGMOuRB8HjF6sqIJUt4EbAnY6gUCytM-rr28ZZpSmc6fflRjpSg_aem_642xraCIWpPDg_35OxID2A
Me neither, but I have the picture of the pamphelet, just deplorable as well.
Posted in the article. Please send to Owen if you can!